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everyone is busy thinking about post grad. actually there r other options to go into masters:
1. quit KKM, join ministry of education. join uni as their MO so tat u can join the master too. downside: u lose ur seniority if u join back KKM. meanin u wil b stuck in U41 for a long time.
upside: u can apply now. stil hav monthly pay. think it is more of less same salary. tat is wat my boss did, n suggestign tat i do. (n mind u, he is not bumi)
2. private uni do accept trainee lecturer, but calbel counts, (anyoen has any?) , i think UIA is open, (heard it from a fren), as for IMU, saw both ortho n peads also has.
3. wait til ur turn with KKM, applied, get rejected n finally quit KKM to become GP.

n tat is all talks bout the future. funny, y think along the line of medical. think outside the box... there is more than medical life.. n i salute to those who had quit become a doc, n finally regain back the remainings of their pathetic life (forgive me my negative outlook..i see suicide case nearly everyday)

n aunty, KKM no to call is in putrajaya. i do not hav the no now, but if u wan, can send it to u later. there is one officer in charge, n she is rather ok la. not too fussy.

There's actually 2 people using the name Tan in this blog. I'm not sure who the other Tan is but I think it's Hung Tiong. Dunno whether you guys recall that there were actually 6 Tan's in our batch.
Anyway, I haven't even gone for induksi, so I'm actually worse off than you guys. The last one in May, there were not enough MOs in the department, so nobody could go. There's no induksi for us in September. Anyway, even if there was, I couldn't have gone either, because just coming back from exam, cannot take off so soon.
I met a lecturer from IMU about 3 months ago who said IMU offers to sponsor doctors to do their masters in local universities such as UM and later hire them to become lecturers in IMU. Have to be based in Seremban-lah. And I think it's only available for those who want to do internal medicine. Not sure whether they offer for other specialties. So, maybe this is one option for those who want a fast route.
I did not mention earlier that Mong Tieng met with an accident about 2 months ago and suffered ligament injury to her ankle. She has been out of action and is currently back home in Terengganu. Should be coming back to Alor Setar soon though.

carren, who r u trying to call? i may have the number
wen jih, who did u tok 2 to confirm that u have ur pendaftaran penuh?

27/9/05 - still no telephone line to KKM
- no respond from smoke signal

Where is the moment we needed the most
You kick up the leaves and the magic is lost
They tell me your blue skies fade to grey
They tell me your passion's gone away
And I don't need no carryin' on
You stand in the line just to hit a new low
You're faking a smile with the coffee to go
You tell me your life's been way off line
You're falling to pieces everytime
And I don't need no carryin' on
Cause you had a bad day
You're taking one down
You sing a sad song just to turn it around
You say you don't know
You tell me don't lie
You work at a smile and you go for a ride
You had a bad day
The camera don't lie
You're coming back down and you really don't mind
You had a bad day You had a bad day
Well you need a blue sky holiday
The point is they laugh at what you say
And I don't need no carryin' on

life's like that...
so it is not surprising people going for greener pasture...
good luck lee kien&seowvoon venturing to west....for breaking de norm..de option is very enticing ....but...do i have the guts to try my luck there..?
btw, found a house to rent in KK as in Kota Kinabalu not Klinik Kesihatan...transferring there in a month time..
I survived DISTRICT posting$#$%^
so, do come and visit sabah u guys!

My friend's friend came back to malaysia 3 years after completing her undergrad under JPA in UK. She had no trouble getting the hosp and posting of her choice which was traumatology in UH and now she is in masters prog within 6 mths in malaysia.

my question is, how did she do it without getting confirmation (didn't even go for induction) and at light speed )without 1+3?

it's because she is not one of "us".

life sucks.

Have you noticed how accurately the nurses, MA, office clerks know exactly which day of the month the gaji is out? Noticed how long the queue is at ATMs on gaji days? I know of nurses, MAs, attendants who have only RM20-50 left in their savings by the 20th of the month. Ever noticed what canggih handphones the attendants own (specialists still use the good'ol solid Nokia3310). Maybe that's an example where the gaji all went, plus at places like Courts Mammoth, direct sales products, kenduri for all occasions. Maybe the education ministry should integrate some financial literacy topics in Kemahiran Hidup in school.

Seok Hong: I meant that, as independent applicants, we qualify to apply for Master programs one and a half years after our MBBS graduation. That means we are eligible NOW. The program will still take 4 years. If we join now, it will mean that we don't have cuti belajar from KKM, which means we must quit and lose the monthly salary. No salary for 4 years, and on top of that, we still have to pay the school fees on our own. Not a viable option. As for exactly how much the fees, i don't know. I asked Prof Liam about this last year when he was still head of Postgrad Studies.

If we join Masters via the usual route, i.e. after completing 1+3 years, passing induksi, and getting the study leave approved by KKM, we will still get our gaji, plus KKM will pay for school fees. But we are legally bonded to govt for 7 years after completing postgrad studies. Then during that, our fates for subspecialty opportunity will be in the hands of 'Dato Dr so and so' in KKM. A physician, Dr Ismayatim, in Hospital Alor Star got sent to a Gastro & Hepatology subspecialty training for 1 year in Australia when he was still in the gazettement year. Whereas 'others' are still waiting for years for their chance of subspecializing. There is a Mr Zamyn orthopedic spine surgeon from Hospital Alor Star, now in Sungai Buloh - had one year training in Australia and now thinks he is god. He is also a pervert. Sadly to say, he was a UM MBBS undergraduate.

The lecturer-training program is entirely different ... I am not sure of the details, but I know that they don't accept 'us'. There are exceptions though, I don't what procedure or what strings to pull to get it ... I know that Chan Kin Hup is in a UIA lecturer program, and Athena is in Unimas lecturer program. And of course there is our Rebecca in the physiology program as informed by Anas. I guess we need to ask insiders about how to get these opportunities.

gues it is always a hassle for those who wan to do masters. option is always there to quite, but money is a big issue here.
stil trying to get my full reg done (imagine: after 2 years of service) ... last week they told me it is ok.. so expecting it these few weeks. then it is pengesahan perlantikan, then it is pengesahan perjawatan.... now u know y so many staff in ministry office.. they just compile forms

KKM just moved to putrajaya... i think. they don't have telephone line yet, i have been told. i think they just plain lazy, no need to answer questions by delaying the process of phone installation.

great input LK,
in addition, even after getting specialist training i e MRCP bla blah.....most of the specialist are still getting U41 pay etc....because....everyone had been so diligently studying Harrisons etc...that we dont read and sit for PTK...
anyone goin for PTK and has the books?...

People who are rich enough can quit KKM now and join a U.M. Master program on their own expenses. The Medicine master program only requires 1 and a half year since graduation to join. And if we join the program this way, we aren't bonded for 7 years.

Problem is we NEED the monthly RM2000++ salary, therefore we are subjected to all these redtape under KKM.

Another option for rich people will be quitting KKM now and join a Master program say in NUS. Be like a medical student again. And of course there is this local university lecturer training program, which is out of bounds for most of us.

Well, another issue will be: if we quit KKM now, we will need to join back as U41 after we complete the specialist training. Unless we join Kementerian Pendidikan for good and just stay in UM. I wonder what are the requirements to get an APC if we are under Kem Pendidikan.

But we are all not that rich to consider all those options.

hi guys
sorry got to break your bubbles....even if masters eligibility has been shorten to 3 years in service instead of the current 4 years in service requirement, i doubt we can get our pengesahan dalam jawatan in time.
help me out in this guys, if u know a way to shorten the application.

you see, i did induksi in april, which most of us did the same time i presume. i have yet to get my cert for the induksi. and i asked my jabatan kesihatan negeri...takes freaking 6 months to 1 year to get the cert!

thereafter, need your permanent practising cert from MMC..which i also have yet to receive...(have any of you got it yet?) i called the putrajaya MMC...no answer!

only after these 2 documents and surat lantikan (which is the only thing i have), we still need our perakuan from pengarah..which shud be easy...

but, subsequently, need out office pegawai who is in charge to apply for our pengesahan dalam jawatan....a process which involves her to send the application thru the state jabatan kesihatan to the Kementerian...then onli to SPA...then to await the process there in SPA....all of which takes easily 3 months!

as u guys who r planing on taking up masters...pengesahan jawatan is required b4 our ketua jabatan can allow us to apply for masters!

so...really..go figure....

anyway, nd u guys feedback if there is really a faster route.....i.e....under table coffee $....hehehehmuahahahaha

ciaoz!

tat is good news in a way. everyone else is having exam i suppose, the world had became a much quieter place....
anyway, it's great to get together with some of the ipoh ppl on chin loon's wedding. too bad no photo to post here.

hi all!!

have been hearing from reliable source that we may be eligible to apply for next year's master. Apparently DG gonna make announcement soon

keep ur ears and eyes peeled!

BTW, my wife now is attending Kursus Induksi with Adeline, Seng Kiat, Chew Gaik and Wai Hong in Pulau Pangkor. Dunno whether they already know her or not. Adeline, if u c this, do help take care of my honey,ok.....hehe

Dearest Frenz out there,
Thank you all for your wishes and blessing....just too bad that not many of you can attend my wedding dinner in A,Star,but i hope that some of you can attend the dinner in Taiping this 29/10/2005. It'l b on a grander scale.
Best wishes for Tong Ming and Chin Loon too....too bad i cant attend their wedding coz........my grandfather just passed away. He passed away on 8/9/05 and was safely buried on 12/09/05. so ironic isn't it? but luckily he wait until my wedding was over before letting go of his last breathe. i'm happy that i can fulfil his last wish to see his eldest grandson (aka me) getting married. Hope that he can now rest peacefully and enjoy his new beginning in heaven........

congrats to tong ming n ngou too! anyway, chin loon also getting married today, shall go to his wedding in 2 hours time.
anyway, think more wil go to ngou's taiping dinner.... i wil b goin from south la.

Congratulations to Ah Ngou and Tong Ming. Been on study leave the past 2 weeks and surprisingly, kind of missed studying. That's not to say I like exams. I've been getting up late every day (have never been a morning person). It's going to be tough going back to work after this. Some more, on call on the first day I get back (Expected, but was still hoping it wasn't true). Anyway, any of you guys going for Ah Ngou's wedding dinner in Taiping?

yeah! congrats ngou

my apologies too for not able to attend.

so i heard also Sg Petani Hospital doing baby gender switch operation? any news and gossips?

interested...